As this scenario played out, “there were threats of violence and talk of the Virginia or Pennsylvania militias marching on the Capitol if Jefferson wasn’t elected,” says Sidney Milkis of the University of Virginia’s Miller Center of Public Affairs, who spoke to TIME as part of a presidential-history partnership between TIME History and the Miller Center.

Director of Presidential Studies Barbara Perry is interviewed on MSNBC.

joining us now is Allida Black. You saw her in that clip, founding editor of the "Eleanor Roosevelt Papers," and distinguished visiting scholar at the Miller Center at the University of Virginia.

Mary Kate Cary, a senior fellow at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center, echoed a suggestion from Twitter users for a free-flowing conversation on the popular Joe Rogan podcast.
“No audience, just the three of them," she said. "Four hours. And let Joe Rogan get them talking and see how they stand up.”

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Fusionism brought these views together into what seemed for a long time, at least from the outside, to be a relatively workable political coalition. Philip Zelikow, a veteran Republican foreign-policy official and one of hundreds of prominent members of the Party who vigorously opposed Trump in 2016, said, “World War II, followed by nearly World War III, brought the United States into an unprecedented world role. And a vocal minority didn’t accept it. They don’t like foreigners. They think they’re playing us for suckers. There were a lot of Pearl Harbor and Yalta conspiracy theories that we’ve forgotten about. This group concentrates overwhelmingly in the Republican Party.” For a long time, it was kept in check. Now, in Zelikow’s view, it has grown in prominence and become less deferential to the business wing of the Republican establishment, and is “close to being the most influential element in the Party.”